Why Do Church Priests Hump Kids?

Paedophilia in the church is really getting on my nerves. Why don’t these bishops and priests ever land behind bars? And what is this urge they develop to have sex with under-aged children? There is something really rotten about this belief system based on a fable that has no historical proof. Till how long will the world persist with this cock-and-bull story about a corpse coming alive and flying to heaven like a bird. All it has given the world is genocide, murders, tortures, witch hunts and the Dark Ages.

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  1. VoP

    2000 years of history proves that Church is all about ‘control’ and exerting that ‘control’ on anyone. So the experimentation begins with the most innocent and compliant kind i.e these children.

  2. VoP

    Religion of Love & Greek Love

    Sex with minors was not always considered a disease. In ancient Greece, sexual relationships between men and boys were a normal part of life. Such relations, called “pederastic,” typically occurred between a 20-to-30-year-old man and a 12-to-17-year-old boy. The man pursued the boy, and the boy submitted to him as the passive partner in anal sex. The man also played the role of mentor to his pupil. With the arrival of heavy pubic hair, usually at age 18, the younger man found a boy to mentor and get sexual satisfaction from. Sexual relations between men and young children played no part in Greek pederasty. Judaism and Christianity redefined same-sex relations as unnatural and condemned them as sinful. Then, as criminal laws supplemented or replaced ecclesiastical laws, same-sex relations became crimes as well. That understanding governed popular opinion until the rise of secularism and medical science.

    http://www.reason.com/news/show/28515.html

  3. S

    There has been a debate going on for decades whether Hitler was a Catholic or not. The Roman Catholic Church denies it, but Hitler was baptised and was an altar boy in the church. More facts about Hitler’s religion can be found in Mein Kampf, and there are several of his writings in which he has clearly stated that he is doing God’s work by killing Jews (they are supposed to have crucified Jesus, according to Catholic doctrine).

    What has come to light recently is that Catholics ran concentration camps in Croatia in which they killed 700000 Jews, Serbians (Eastern Orthodox Church), and Gypsies. Isracast carried this report and more material can be found upon the subject. The Church is trying to deny it, and no doubt that in another decade there will be enough confusion about this as well, with books coming out in defense of the Church written by so-called Jews and Serbians. Here is the link to Isracast report –

    http://www.isracast.com/article.aspx?ID=544

    • VoP

      Thanks for the link. The church has been trying to rewrite history but not that easily on this one. Hitler was a “Christian Soldier” to the core and sincerely believed in the extermination of Jews. A picture is worth 1000 words they say. But these pictures are worth millions and there are thousands of them!

      http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

      Nazi photos – a MUST SEE

      http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

      Hitler Was a Christian

      http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

      • vollmond

        And what was the religion of soldiers of the Allied Forces?

        • VoP

          Not 100% sure, but majority had to cleanup the mess created by their co-religionist, not because the murder of 6,000,000 jews was not enough but the bombing of pearl harbor changed the perspective. Of course some were denied credit.

          “WHITES ONLY” victory & Racism

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7984436.stm

          Anyway fast forward, the religion of Hitler is still intact.

          US soldiers hunting people for Jesus

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/soldiers-in-afghanistan-g_n_195674.html

          US Military is a tool of Christianity

          http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

          http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?&id=content_9217

          • vollmond

            I am afraid that the posts on this forum are heavily skewed and have a strong anti-Christianity [anti-White] stand, which is often grading to illogical arguments and resembles some kind of propaganda. Unfortunately hence no one is judging the given facts on any rational basis. You can find a lot of anti-White material written by apologists to make your case [even from reputed journals, or else how could one explain brainwashing of the masses to an extent that has resulted in the making of a Black-Muslim the head of state of the US!]; but the question remains, what is the motive herein: what are we, as Indians, trying to achieve by maligning the Whites [aka Christians]? Distributing Bibles is not a crime! Indeed the US army has a Christian inclination, so what? Indian army has a Hindu angle to it too. Why would you think that it might be wrong if a soldier of Rajputana Rifles makes a visit to Temple before entering into war? I find it amusing that both East [i.e. India] and West have a common enemy [Islamic Jihadies], but within India itself there seems to be existing large pockets of separate lobbies in the form of Islamists, Communists and “Hindu Brigades” that are blatantly anti-West [the latter maybe laregely due to political compulsions]. Could this explain the strong anti-White/anti-Christianity stand on this forum? Point I am trying to make is: are we being reasonable and rational here or do we have some vested interests in all this badmouthing? So, what was the religion of those blokes who bombed Pearl Harbor?

            • VoP

              > brainwashing of the masses to an extent that has resulted in the making of a Black-Muslim the head of state of the US!

              What are you smoking? After having stated what you have stated I don’t think anyone here owes you any explanation.

              > the Whites [aka Christians]?

              Wrong equation! 60% of whites in America don’t consider themselves Christian. Much less in Europe!

              > Could this explain the strong anti-White/anti-Christianity stand on this forum?

              No. But Evangelical Terrorism that started 2000 years ago and continues today explains it. India being the target of the same makes it worse.

              • VoP

                correction: Not 60%, 40% of whites in America don’t consider themselves Christian. Among the 60% Christian I am not sure how much are the rabid evangelizing types – these are the crusader types who are a threat to world peace. Bush was one of those types.

                Bush’s Conversion Agenda for India.

                http://www.christianaggression.org/features_bush.php

                • vollmond

                  VoP: “… I don’t think anyone here owes you any explanation.
                  … …”

                  Hello VoP,
                  Of course you or anyone else do not owe me [or someone else] any explanation, and I am not seeking one either. When you make your case by putting stuff from links that sound: nobeliefs dot com, evilbible dot com, chrisitianaggression dot com and so on so forth, then you must know that it becomes pretty clear to even some intellectually blind person what you are up to. I was just passing by; “Indian Realist” is a rather odd name for this site, not really what I would have expected. But nevermind. Have a good day.
                  Bye

                  • VoP

                    For someone passing by “IndianRealist” casually it’s very easy to say without taking pains to read about what’s going on in India and to what extent Missionary Terrorism has stooped to. It’s worse than Islamic Terrorism, at least their deception and hatred to Hindus is clear. You are trying to whitewash the sins committed by the Church and it’s enablers, in the name of some God, by making benign and ignorant statements. You think you can fool all the people all the time!?

                    > Black-Muslim the head of state of the US!

                    Read that again! And you have audacity to call someone as intellectually blind?

                    • vollmond

                      Indeed I read some random collection on this site before making my comment. “Passing by” doesn’t mean that I do not keep myself aware of the surroundings. My intentions are not to distract you from your “mission” [which might be simply politically motivated than anything to do with religion], but you need to stop and introspect when you notice reason being replaced by paranoia; a good example of that would be when a simple depiction of some chauraha [crossroad] begins to haunt you as if it were a Christian Cross.

                      “Hatred and Deception” do not constitute Terrorism; acts of Violence only can be termed Terrorism. Hinduism is the ocean that can assimilate every other religion [except Islam, because this has no supernatural /spiritual foundation and hence is not a religion], and amongst those of the west Christianity is the only one that comes any close in ideology to India through its connections to Buddhism. What if Christianity is the small brother that reincarnated elsewhere? What if the arrival of British [Christians] was for the sake of rescuing India from the clutches of Islamic rule? What I am hinting at is that Hinduism has nothing to fear from Christianity, if Hindus can give Jesus a place in their temples Christianity [of the west] will cease in India, just as a river loses its meaning when entering an ocean.

                      Regarding the “Black-Muslim” issue, you are free to investigate at your own will or choose not to do so. I can only show the direction.

                      Now please allow me to get back to smoking. Enough time I spent here.

  4. Amazing photographs.
    Thanks for the links. This should make it easy to silence those people who claim that the church had no role in the Nazi movement.

  5. S

    “Hatred and Deception” do not constitute Terrorism; acts of Violence only can be termed Terrorism. Hinduism is the ocean that can assimilate every other religion [except Islam, because this has no supernatural /spiritual foundation and hence is not a religion], and amongst those of the west Christianity is the only one that comes any close in ideology to India through its connections to Buddhism. What if Christianity is the small brother that reincarnated elsewhere? What if the arrival of British [Christians] was for the sake of rescuing India from the clutches of Islamic rule? What I am hinting at is that Hinduism has nothing to fear from Christianity, if Hindus can give Jesus a place in their temples Christianity [of the west] will cease in India, just as a river loses its meaning when entering an ocean.

    Regarding the “Black-Muslim” issue, you are free to investigate at your own will or choose not to do so. I can only show the direction.

    Now please allow me to get back to smoking. Enough time I spent here.

    Hinduism can tolerate faiths that are tolerant themselves, like Judaism and Zoroastrianism – followers of both faiths have sought refuge in India and till date neither the Hindus have had any complaints from these people nor these people have had any concern with the Hindus. We live in peace.

    Christianity is related to Buddhism ? The original Christianity (Catholicism) absorbed a lot of European Pagan traditions in its mainstream, including 25th December (according to the Bible Jesus was born in March) and Easter. But this is the first that I have heard of Christianity being related with Buddha.

    The British formed their own church, the Anglican church, and this church is not under the control of the Roman Catholic Church. When the British arrived, the Marathas had taken over large parts of Central India back, and the Sikhs controlled large parts of Western India. The Brits did not “rescue India from Islam”. Also, Anglican Missionaries did follow the British forces, but the Brits were hardly interested India from any conversion point of view, and Anglican Christianity is not a rabid stain like Catholicism and Protestantism.

    Here is link to the history of jihad against India. Please feel free to verify facts.

    http://www.historyofjihad.org/india.html?syf=contact

    The early fathers of the church convinced the European Pagans to place just an idol of the crucified Jew (Jesus) in their temples, and look what happened to them once there were enough Believers (Christians) in Europe. Pagan temples were taken over by the cult of Catholicism and Pagans were murdered in the hundreds of thousands by the holy fathers of the church. In any case, a tortured Jew on a cross is no holy symbol for the Hindus, and no reason for them to place in their temples.

    I did think that you were on something, whatever it is that you are smoking.

    • vollmond

      Before responding you should have tried to understand and investigate what I wrote. You need to polish your background in the following areas:

      1- Indo-Greeks and the spread of [message of] Buddhism up to Mediterranean Sea during Ashoka’s regime.

      2- The key pillar that required toppling by Brits to invoke the “domino effect” was Siraj Ud Daulah [a follower of Islam]. And more importantly, even in the wake of 1857 Mutiny Indians didn’t bring forth a Hindu leader but still wanted to raise Bahadur Shah Jafar [a Muslim] back as the Emperor of Hindustan.

      3- And lastly, your comparison of paganism in Europe to Hinduism is rather a devaluation of this great religion of East. Having said that one must remember the rivalry that existed between Hinduism and Buddhism.

      As I stated earlier I only have shown direction, depends on your own inclination what course you take.

      • Hindu

        Mr. Vollmond,

        I am no history expert. So I looked for a map of India at the time of the British arrival into India from a university library site, and found this.

        It does suggest that almost 2/3rd of what is today India was under the “Mahratta states.”

        It seems these states extend into what is today Pakistan as well, to some extent.

        I too feel that there is a place for the Sermon on the Mount in Hindu Dharma itself. I have never seen that message as external to Hindu Dharma in any way except the geographical.

        I end with my respects.

        Hari Om,
        Gary

        • vollmond

          Hi Gary,

          Thanks for interrupting. I am no history expert either. Nonetheless, the 1857 effort by Indians to project a Mughal as their head amply demonstrates that India lacked the willpower and foothold that would have allowed her to reject Islamic enslavement. The presence of a large Maratha tract in 1760 didn’t mean stability or order of some sort; there were internal conflicts and enormous dynamics within the whole system in general. There are enough reasons to doubt that this state would have sustained. I have left enough clues in my posts here to assist someone who might be interested in following them.

          Regards

      • VoP

        > My intentions are not to distract you from your “mission” [which might be simply politically motivated than anything to do with religion],

        If I have any mission at all it is simply to make others realize the Truth after showing the facts. Intellectually dishonest folks can warp it anyway they want, even terming it as politically motivated. In fact this is the basic argument coming from fundamental Christians and Muslims, any time followers of Indic faith ( Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Sikhs ) rise to defend themselves they are branded ‘communal’, ‘politically motivated’ etc., You see.. For these crusader type Christians and Muslims the world is there to dominated, ruled, converted, looted. “Convert or flee or die” is the message they deliver either through sermon or by sword.

        > but you need to stop and introspect when you notice reason being replaced by paranoia;

        That shows how little you know about what’s going on in India. After Pope’s call in 1999 to “convert” Asia en masse and called it a mission for the 3rd millinnium to plant cross in Asia there’s every reason to be paranoid. If you forget history, you are condemned to repeat it goes the saying. Read the church atrocities for 2000 years that continues today unabated and anyone would agree. Read

        http://freetruth.50webs.org/Index.htm

        > a good example of that would be when a simple depiction of some chauraha [crossroad] begins to haunt you as if it were a Christian Cross.

        Exactly wrong! Hundreds of cross hangings appear overnight in innocent tribal Hindu huts and they are marked as “Christians” by Churches. Confusion, social tension, riots break out. A peaceful cimmunity is torn apart. A Hindu swamiji opposes the Christian designs by educating people and doing social service but Christian maoists funded by World Vision murders him using AK-47. Go and read about what is happening to Tribal belts in India today.

        > “Hatred and Deception” do not constitute Terrorism; acts of Violence only can be termed Terrorism.

        So you get to define what is Terrorism and what is not, just like the infamous Bush.
        When the world is watching it’s hatred and deception, otherwise it’s guns. Either directly or by proxy. Check this out!

        Christian Terrorism in Northeast India

        http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm

        http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/crusade-in-india.html

        http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Christian-Attack-Hindu-Conversions-Orissa-Swami/blog-58.htm

        http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Inquisition-Goa-Atrocities-Hindus-missionaries/blog-179.htm

        http://www.jaia-bharati.org/anglais/swami-conviolence.htm

        > [except Islam, because this has no supernatural /spiritual foundation and hence is not a religion],

        Tell that to Islamists. Dogma rules supreme in both. Christianity in some places may be good like the sermon on the Mount. The Horrors of Xtinity and Islam are due to it’s proponents who carry this out with missionary zeal! Their end goal is subjugation of the rest. Christianity as promoted by the Vatican is just a political ideology masquerading as religion. This is abuse of Jesus. Most Christians don’t condone this either, their flawed argument is Gospel needs to be heard. With force and Terror?

        > What if the arrival of British [Christians] was for the sake of rescuing India from the clutches of Islamic rule?

        My foot! Another westerner propogating “white man’s burden’ theory among the natives? BRITISH CAME TO LOOT AND RAPE INDIA. Educate yourself!

        http://satyameva-jayate.org/2006/08/30/loot-east-india-company/

        > What I am hinting at is that Hinduism has nothing to fear from Christianity,

        You can read the Christian Terrorism links above before you start hinting at anything!

        > if Hindus can give Jesus a place in their temples Christianity [of the west] will cease in India, just as a river loses its meaning when entering an ocean.

        I agree. But for the Christian and Islamic Terrorists it’s not enough that we assimilate their Gods. My father prayed for Allah on Islamic sacred days and to Christ lighting candles on Christmas and such. I grew up watching and admiring this wonderful world of spirituality. Only later in life I realized that the same favor is not returned. Worse, these two demand “exclusive devotion to their God and no one else”. Accepting their God is not enough but for eternal peace we have to reject rest of the gods, beliefs and our way of life. And both demand that theirs is the “One True Final God”. So not only are they fighting with each other but with everyone else.

        > Regarding the “Black-Muslim” issue, you are free to investigate at your own will or choose not to do so. I can only show the direction.

        You seem to be DISTURBED by a Christian president with muslim ancestry. India is ruled by a hardcore catholic bent on destroying India’s Indic heritage.

        > Now please allow me to get back to smoking. Enough time I spent here.

        Thank you. Enough of your smoke & mirrors!

  6. Hindu

    Also, to Sanjay, VoP, and others:

    I request all to be a little more polite in conversations. Sanjay, is it worthy of you to be putting words like “hump” in a post title? VoP, why attack someone with “what are you smoking” etc. Your points stand on their merit.

    Let us all be more considerate, more compassionate, yet firm in our convictions. That is living Hindu Dharma.

    Hari Om,
    Gary

    • VoP

      Namaste Gary,

      “what are you smoking?” is reserved for situations when someone is playing “smoke & mirrors” subverting facts to substantiate their argument and sugar coat it further . It does not really mean smoking. If you read Vollmond’s replies ( ignoring the facts) you will see how this comes across.

      Frankly speaking if we truly adopt Bhagwan Rama’s approach in this Kaliyuga then Islamic and Christian Terrorists will bulldoze us in no time. Sanatana dharma may prevail but not many Hindus with their indentity intact. It’s best to undertake kshatriya approach to protecting dharma until some sense of normalcy returns. At the same time indulging in a dialog with reasonable minds among Christians , Islamists etc., wherever they exist helps.

  7. Hindu

    To my fellow Hindus:

    I came to Hindu Dharma at a later stage. There is one thing in the online behavior of Hindus that I find objectionable. I wish to speak about it with humility.

    I find many abusive people on the web who are Hindus. Whether the abuse comes as a reaction to that of others is not the issue. The issue is the behavior of Hindus. As per Hindu Dharma, our behavior has to follow the model of Sri Rama. Sri Rama fought battles for justice all of his life. But he never spoke without politeness, even to those he had vanquished. To the funeral of the son of the demon who had kidnapped his wife, he sent an emissary as a gesture of respect. That is Hindu behavior.

    Please try to restrain your words. That is the first step of austerity on the path. If even that is hard, then truly the path is very hard.

    I hope I did not offend anyone by saying this. I sincerely ask for forgiveness in case I did.

    Hari Om,
    Gary

  8. gajanan

    The rivalry in Hinduism and Buddhism was over the Vedas. Buddhism rejected the Vedic practice and the central theme of Vedanta. For Buddhism , seeing was believing , but it believed in Karma, which is central to both the faiths.

    If you are good student of physics , then you can say, that Buddhism believed in classical Newtonian Mechanics, whereas Vedanta believed in Quantum Mechanics as well as Classical Mechanics. Even Albert Einstein rejected Quantum Mechanics first. Later , when it became evident, he agreed. The Upanishads , Vedanta are all thoughts , envisaged by the Rishis to go beyond frontiers, which almost all the people started faiths lack. Neti , Neti ( Not this , Not this, is central theme of Vedanta) . This is precisely the reason why Sanatan Dharma survived. If this rock solid foundations were not there, this eternal faith would not have survived.

    About Paganism , there is evidence paganism was more friendly towards the envionment.

    The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Paganism By Carl McColman”
    A Quote from the above.
    “Of course, not all environmental activists are pagans, and for that matter, not all pagans are environmental activists. But the two fit together beautifully …”

    This one below and others have a debate whether Christianity is environemental friendly.

    http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Philosophy/christianity_s_impact_on_the_e.html

    There are many web sites debating this, but almost all web sites favour Paganism as friendly to the environment.

    So in the modern context of environmental challenges , Paganism comes thru with flying colors. Hinduism or better still Sanatan Dharma places its central theme on Nature and probably that is the reason many called it a quasi Pagan like faith .

    Quasi = almost, but not 100%.

    • vollmond

      I agree, Gajanan. By referring to the rivalry I was pointing to the fact about Brahmins repudiating Buddhism and vice versa. Having Buddha’s statue in a Hindu temple might sound too like a “ludicrous” thought to some Hindus, despite your “classical-quantum physics” analogy. Bye

      • VoP

        Don’t put straw man arguments here. FYI, having Buddha statue in a Hindu temple is a very common thing and it’s welcome. It’s not “ludicrous” to any Hindu. DO NOT TRY to spread poison amongst us. It just reveals your intentions. Especially after claiming that the British were in India to RESCUE us! What an awful statement that was!

        “Powerful empires existed and flourished here (in India) while Englishmen were still wandering painted in the woods.” – Lord Curzon

        “While we hold on to India, we are a first-rate power. If we lose India, we will decline to a third-rate power. This is the value of India.” – Lord Curzon

        American Historian Will Durant has observed:

        “British rule in India is the most sordid and criminal exploitation of one nation by another in all recorded history. I propose to show that England has year by year been bleeding India to the point of death, and that self-government of India by the Hindus could not within any reasonable probability, have worse results than the present form of alien domination.

        The civilization that was destroyed by British guns had lasted for fifteen centuries, producing saints from Buddha to Ramakrishna and Gandhi; philosophy from the Vedas to Schopenhauer and Bergson, Thoreau and Keyserling, who take their lead and acknowledge their derivation from India (India, says Count Keyserling, “has produced the profoundest metaphysics that we know of”; and he speaks of “the absolute superiority of India over the Wes in philosophy); poetry from the Mahabharata, containing the Bhagavad-gita, “perhaps the most beautiful work of the literature of the world” down to Sarojini Naidu, greatest of living women poets, and Rabindranath Tagore, who, writing a local dialect in a subject land, had made himself the most famous poet of our time. And how shall we rank civilization that created the unique and gigantic temples of Ellora, Madura and Angkor.

        This, evidently was not a minor civilization, produced by inferior people. It ranks with the highest civilizations of history, and some, like Keyserling, would place it at the head and summit of all. The British conquest of India was the invasion and destruction of a high civilization by a trading company utterly without scruple or principle, careless of art, greedy of gain, overrunning with fire and sword a country temporarily disordered and helpless, bribing and murdering, annexing and stealing, and beginning that career of illegal and “legal” plunder which has now gone on ruthlessly for one hundred and seventy-three years, and goes on at this moment while in our secure comfort we write and read. Those who have seen the unspeakable poverty and physiological weakness of the Hindus today will hardly believe that it was the wealth of eighteenth century India which attracted the commercial pirates of England and France.”

        WHAT THE BRITISH DID TO INDIA

        http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=553936&page=5

  9. gajanan

    Sanatan Dharma by its sheer philosophical sweep and agruements , is several steps higher than normal Paganism.

  10. Bharat Nair

    Gary,
    “I find many abusive people on the web who are Hindus.”

    Please try to show us some examples.

    “Please try to restrain your words. That is the first step of austerity on the path. If even that is hard, then truly the path is very hard.”

    Don’t you think you should preach this kind of nonsense first to your ex. religionists?

  11. Bharat Nair

    vollmond,
    “but the question remains, what is the motive herein: what are we, as Indians, trying to achieve by maligning the Whites [aka Christians]?”

    Bigger question is what is the motivation behind your white ‘defense’ ??? (I see that you are claiming to be an indian here)

  12. S

    “1- Indo-Greeks and the spread of [message of] Buddhism up to Mediterranean Sea during Ashoka’s regime.”

    You are talking about the Proto-European cultures. Do some more research, and you will find out that many European languages, including Serbian, have descended from Sanskrit. Latin has its origins in this language, and English is a sort of “niece” of the language of the Indic people. The message of Buddha, while it did reach far, had little impact on the Pagan faiths of Europe, and the cult of Catholicism has drawn heavily from Mithraism, including, but not limited to – virgin birth, star in the sky, 3 wise men, and the rituals of eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the saviour for eternal life (if you think that Buddha preached cannibalism, keep on smoking).

    “2- The key pillar that required toppling by Brits to invoke the “domino effect” was Siraj Ud Daulah [a follower of Islam]. And more importantly, even in the wake of 1857 Mutiny Indians didn’t bring forth a Hindu leader but still wanted to raise Bahadur Shah Jafar [a Muslim] back as the Emperor of Hindustan.”

    And what do the events of 1857 have anything to do with “rescuing Hindus from Islam ?”

    “3- And lastly, your comparison of paganism in Europe to Hinduism is rather a devaluation of this great religion of East. Having said that one must remember the rivalry that existed between Hinduism and Buddhism.”

    I did not compare Hinduism with Paganism (s) of Europe. I merely stated what happened to the Pagans who were tolerant enough to allow the early holy fathers of the church to place their statues of the dead Jew on a cross in their places of worship. Once the cult of Catholicism had critical mass, it wrecked havoc on European Pagans, butchering them by the hundreds of thousands in Europe itself (I am not even mentioning the genocides in North America, South America, Australia, India, Japan and China). I was replying to your ludicrous idea of Hindus worshipping the dead Jew in their temples, and not comparing Hinduism with other faiths.

  13. vollmond

    Bharat Nair: “Bigger question is what is the motivation behind your white ‘defense’ ??? (I see that you are claiming to be an indian here)”

    Me, Indian? Maybe that was “smoke & mirrors”! But are Indians prohibited from defending Whites? My motivation, anyway, was to bring some objectivity in the discussion on this forum. Seems I didn’t succeed.

    • VoP

      You did not succeed because you fail to recognize facts.

      > “Hatred and Deception” do not constitute Terrorism; acts of Violence only can be termed Terrorism.

      So you get to define what is Terrorism and what is not, just like the infamous Bush. When the world is watching it’s hatred and deception, otherwise it’s guns. Either directly or by proxy. Check this out!

      Christian Terrorism in Northeast India

      http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm

      http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/crusade-in-india.html

      http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Christian-Attack-Hindu-Conversions-Orissa-Swami/blog-58.htm

      http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Inquisition-Goa-Atrocities-Hindus-missionaries/blog-179.htm

      http://www.jaia-bharati.org/anglais/swami-conviolence.htm

    • VoP

      You did not succeed because you fail to recognize facts.

      > “Hatred and Deception” do not constitute Terrorism; acts of Violence only can be termed Terrorism.

      So you get to define what is Terrorism and what is not, just like the infamous Bush. When the world is watching it’s hatred and deception, otherwise it’s guns. Either directly or by proxy. Check this out!

      Christian Terrorism in Northeast India

      http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm

    • VoP

      > but you need to stop and introspect when you notice reason being replaced by paranoia;

      That shows how little you know about what’s going on in India. After Pope’s call in 1999 to “convert” Asia en masse and called it a mission for the 3rd millinnium to plant cross in Asia there’s every reason to be paranoid. If you forget history, you are condemned to repeat it goes the saying. Read the church atrocities for 2000 years that continues today unabated and anyone would agree. Read

      http://freetruth.50webs.org/Index.htm

    • VoP

      > My intentions are not to distract you from your “mission” [which might be simply politically motivated than anything to do with religion],

      If I have any mission at all it is simply to make others realize the Truth after showing the facts. Intellectually dishonest folks can warp it anyway they want, even terming it as politically motivated. In fact this is the basic argument coming from fundamental Christians and Muslims, any time followers of Indic faith ( Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Sikhs ) rise to defend themselves they are branded ‘communal’, ‘politically motivated’ etc., You see.. For these crusader type Christians and Muslims the world is there to dominated, ruled, converted, looted. “Convert or flee or die” is the message they deliver either through sermon or by sword.

    • VoP

      > a good example of that would be when a simple depiction of some chauraha [crossroad] begins to haunt you as if it were a Christian Cross.

      Exactly wrong! Hundreds of cross hangings appear overnight in innocent tribal Hindu huts and they are marked as “Christians” by Churches. Confusion, social tension, riots break out. A peaceful cimmunity is torn apart. A Hindu swamiji opposes the Christian designs by educating people and doing social service but Christian maoists funded by World Vision murders him using AK-47. Go and read about what is happening to Tribal belts in India today.

      http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Christian-Attack-Hindu-Conversions-Orissa-Swami/blog-58.htm

    • VoP

      > [except Islam, because this has no supernatural /spiritual foundation and hence is not a religion],

      Tell that to Islamists. Dogma rules supreme in both. Christianity in some places may be good like the sermon on the Mount. The Horrors of Xtinity and Islam are due to it’s proponents who carry this out with missionary zeal! Their end goal is subjugation of the rest. Christianity as promoted by the Vatican is just a political ideology masquerading as religion. This is abuse of Jesus. Most Christians don’t condone this either, their flawed argument is Gospel needs to be heard. With force and Terror?

    • VoP

      > What if the arrival of British [Christians] was for the sake of rescuing India from the clutches of Islamic rule?

      My foot! Another westerner propogating “white man’s burden’ theory among the natives? BRITISH CAME TO LOOT AND RAPE INDIA. Educate yourself!

      http://satyameva-jayate.org/2006/08/30/loot-east-india-company/

    • VoP

      > What I am hinting at is that Hinduism has nothing to fear from Christianity,

      You can read the Christian Terrorism links above before you start hinting at anything!

      > if Hindus can give Jesus a place in their temples Christianity [of the west] will cease in India, just as a river loses its meaning when entering an ocean.

      I agree. But for the Christian and Islamic Terrorists it’s not enough that we assimilate their Gods. My father prayed for Allah on Islamic sacred days and to Christ lighting candles on Christmas and such. I grew up watching and admiring this wonderful world of spirituality. Only later in life I realized that the same favor is not returned. Worse, these two demand “exclusive devotion to their God and no one else”. Accepting their God is not enough but for eternal peace we have to reject rest of the gods, beliefs and our way of life. And both demand that theirs is the “One True Final God”. So not only are they fighting with each other but with everyone else.

      > Regarding the “Black-Muslim” issue, you are free to investigate at your own will or choose not to do so. I can only show the direction.

      You seem to be DISTURBED by a Christian president with muslim ancestry. India is ruled by a hardcore catholic bent on destroying India’s Indic heritage.

    • VoP

      > Now please allow me to get back to smoking. Enough time I spent here.

      Thank you. Enough of your smoke & mirrors!

  14. S

    What being a True Christian ™ means. Below is the video of a Baptist Christian talking on television. All who wonder what exactly Christianity is, please watch –

  15. VoP,

    Christianity is Roman War Propaganda against the Jews. Jesus predicted the destruction of the Jewish Temple within one generation and this was realized by the Roman Emperor Titus Flavius who destroyed the Temple and razed Jerusalem in the First Jewish–Roman War. Christianity is war propaganda, very similar to Bush invading Iraq to “liberate” it (from itself!!!). See the following website :

    http://ascendantasia.blogspot.com/

    • VoP

      The meaning of spirituality is trashed by these neanderthal “Angry Jealous Gods”!

      • VoP,

        Never spare an opportunity to mention that Jesus is the nativized alterego of Titus Flavius, who destroyed the Jewish temple. If some one says Jesus, the next words out of our mouths should be Titus Flavius. The “Love” of Christianity is simply the mask of the Empire and, as we all know, the Colonial Empire “loves” natives just as a Catholic priest “loves” little children.

        Converts (I’m presuming) like Vollmond start defending all colonial atrocities after “seeing the light” and hearing the “good news”. Actually, they have just accepted their degraded status as colonized subjects, nothing more. Immediately, they begin downgrading and propagandizing against their own ancestors (Jahilia syndrome) and praising the colonial overlords.

        But the astonishing thing is that their new colonial overlords actually rejoice in getting these native fools to accept their degradation willingly. All the while, our converts think they have found utopia in their subjugation.

        Satyamev Jayate is an impulse foreign to the colonial war propaganda scheme of Christianity. Christianity and all its downstream secular variants (eg Modernism, Manifest Destiny) are simply predicated upon advancing colonial interests with least resistance from the native victims.

    • VoP

      and they were raping Native American kids

      “…Most of those abused by members of the Oregon Province — the Jesuit order covering the states of Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Idaho and Montana — were at mission schools on Indian reservations, from the 1940s through to the 1990s.”

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