Aryan-Dravidian racist theory trashed again by genetic evidence

Aryan-Dravidian divide a myth: Study
TNN 25 September 2009, 01:16am IST

HYDERABAD: The great Indian divide along north-south lines now stands blurred. A pathbreaking study by Harvard and indigenous researchers on ancestral Indian populations says there is a genetic relationship between all Indians and more importantly, the hitherto believed “fact” that Aryans and Dravidians signify the ancestry of north and south Indians might after all, be a myth.

“This paper rewrites history… there is no north-south divide,” Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a co-author of the study, said at a press conference here on Thursday.

Senior CCMB scientist Kumarasamy Thangarajan said there was no truth to the Aryan-Dravidian theory as they came hundreds or thousands of years after the ancestral north and south Indians had settled in India.

The study analysed 500,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states. All the individuals were from six-language families and traditionally “upper” and “lower” castes and tribal groups. “The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organizations during the formation of the Indian society,” the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved they were not systematically different.

The study was conducted by CCMB scientists in collaboration with researchers at Harvard Medical School,
Harvard School of Public Health and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT. It reveals that the present-day Indian population is a mix of ancient north and south bearing the genomic contributions from two distinct ancestral populations – the Ancestral North Indian (ANI) and the Ancestral South Indian (ASI).

“The initial settlement took place 65,000 years ago in the Andamans and in ancient south India around the same time, which led to population growth in this part,” said Thangarajan. He added, “At a later stage, 40,000 years ago, the ancient north Indians emerged which in turn led to rise in numbers here. But at some point of time, the ancient north and the ancient south mixed, giving birth to a different set of population. And that is the population which exists now and there is a genetic relationship between the population within India.”

The study also helps understand why the incidence of genetic diseases among Indians is different from the rest of the world. Singh said that 70% of Indians were burdened with genetic disorders and the study could help answer why certain conditions restricted themselves to one population. For instance, breast cancer among Parsi women, motor neuron diseases among residents of Tirupati and Chittoor, or sickle cell anaemia among certain tribes in central India and the North-East can now be understood better, said researchers.

The researchers, who are now keen on exploring whether Eurasians descended from ANI, find in their study that ANIs are related to western Eurasians, while the ASIs do not share any similarity with any other population across the world. However, researchers said there was no scientific proof of whether Indians went to Europe first or the other way round.

Migratory route of Africans

Between 135,000 and 75,000 years ago, the East-African droughts shrunk the water volume of the lake Malawi by at least 95%, causing migration out of Africa. Which route did they take? Researchers say their study of the tribes of Andaman and Nicobar islands using complete mitochondrial DNA sequences and its comparison those of world populations has led to the theory of a “southern coastal route” of migration from East Africa through India.

This finding is against the prevailing view of a northern route of migration via Middle East, Europe, south-east Asia, Australia and then to India.

It is only a matter of time before it is proved that it is actually Indians which went from India to Europe and not the other way round. When that happens, the foundations of Western civilisation will shake. The Witzel and Romila Thapar school of charlatans is fighting a losing battle against modern science.

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27 responses to “Aryan-Dravidian racist theory trashed again by genetic evidence

  1. Bharat

    Actually there is no need for any “genetic evidence” to disprove this racist theory.
    The best way ( as shown by Prof. Aich in his book “Lies with long legs”) is to publicise the “intellectual dishonesty” of Indologists who created this racist theory.

  2. VoP

    one more nail in the coffin!

  3. Incognito

    >>>It is only a matter of time before it is proved that it is actually Indians which went from India to Europe and not the other way round.

    Already proved by Talageri

  4. AIT is basically dead.

    1. ANI proceeded to populate Europe after the appropriate corridor opened up at 45K. The southern Exodus (as explicated by Oppenheimer) had skipped Europe and climactic conditions made colonization of Europe impossible before this time. The present study implies that ANI “emerged from” the initial settlers in South India. Additionally, archaeological traces of AMH in Europe lag behind those in S. Asia by tens of thousands of years. There was no AMH in Europe before 40K and these were subject to replacement from interior Asia at even later dates ( as evidenced by presence of only a single line R without progenitor clades; the other clades – IJ – are Mideastern, with J being Iranian).

    2. Talageri has convincingly elaborated on Nichols’ model for westward expansion of IE from Bactria. The more archaic forms are transported west and isolated from further developments. Hittite, Tokharian, and Italo-Celtic all *must have* made a northward exit and only India fits this requirement; all other locations require that these three diverged in completely opposite directions with subsequent backmigration of another dialect into the original location of I-Ir (which was the last to leave).

    3. The AIT is categorically ideological and requires the operation of a monotheist/theological “caste system” in Indian society in order to usher in the “Aryans” as the ‘agents of sanskritic culture’. This has been aptly explicated by Marianne Keppens, a colleague of SN Balagangadhara.

  5. Sahib

    Good
    At least The Rising Sun sets for a while!

  6. edwin prabhakaran

    ANIs are aryans. ASIs are dravidians. Due to inter racial marriages, both races got mixed. So we cannot say ‘aryan-dravidian theory’ is wrong.

    • sanjaychoudhry

      How do you know? Did Aryans come in your dream to inform you about this “fact”?

      For political reasons and to sow the seeds of separatism from rest of India, Tamil Christians are strong supporters of Aryan-Dravidian nonsense spouted by missionaries such as Joseph Cadwell and Mueller.

    • Kuldeep

      edwin, who told you this non sense, pedophile padres or sodomized sisters?

  7. harvard is where terrorists like witzel and spencer wells reside. i guess their agenda was to propse a ANI-ASI divide since the aryan-dravidian is failing. but i guess this article has drawn different conclusion from what their hypothesis originally intended to

  8. VoP

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  9. Edwin prabhakaran

    Even the harvard scientists said the same concept which i said in my previous comment. You should read this article again. Understand english.

  10. Lokesh

    From the same article:-
    “ two distinct ancestral populations – the Ancestral North Indian (ANI) and the Ancestral South Indian (ASI).“

    What does that mean?
    It simply means that they have genetic evidence to prove that North and South Indians come from two distinct ancestral populations.
    This proves divide is there and is evident in the samples they have collected.

    From the article:-
    “At a later stage, 40,000 years ago, the ancient north Indians emerged which in turn led to rise in numbers here. “

    Emerged from where? Thin air?
    I don’t get it, neither do i have evidence for AIT or AMT but to say emerged is fishy about this article.

    65,000 years ago people came to South Indian (migrated 8000 Km’ s) from East Africa , and for the next 15,000 years they didn’t explore or settle else where in (north) India . How do i believe that?
    My assumption is that they settled through out India until the North Indians the so called emerged guys , came and pushed them south.

    The guys who came first and settled through out India were much later called Dravidian by ones who emerged (magically) and pushed them south.

    To conclude South Indians migrated and North Indians emerged is absolute rubbish.

    I am writing this with due respect to all counter comments and criticism.

    • Irony detector

      | Emerged from where? Thin air?
      I don’t get it, neither do i have evidence for AIT or AMT but to say emerged is fishy about this article.

      It means the first settlement remains are speculated to have been found.

      |65,000 years ago people came to South Indian (migrated 8000 Km’ s) from East Africa , and for the next 15,000 years t

      No. The migration from Africa may have happened maybe 65,000 or 600,000 years ago or when South India was attached to Africa.

      |…they didn’t explore or settle else where in (north) India . How do i believe that?
      My assumption is that they settled through out India until the North Indians the so called emerged guys , came and pushed them south.

      Incorrect. The Vindhyachal mountains divide North and South India. Without adequate technology they are impossible to transcend. It is further speculated that North Indians arrived at South India via the sea because of the Vindhyas at Malabar.

  11. Lokesh

    Distinct Ancestral Populations simply means “RACE”.

    From article :-
    incidence of genetic diseases among Indians is different

    Racial and ethnic groups can exhibit substantial average differences in disease incidence

  12. Boss

    Dear Edwin,

    U are living in high illusion and darkness. It is now open fact (as shown in discovery channel) that missionaries of olden days had spread small pox in Red Indian Tribes in USA and wiped colonies there. Can u deny this ??

    True that we had caste differences in India that led to unhappiness among people. This has given opportunity to others to spread their religion in India and teaching us so called “culture” which we were not having according to them.

    Our ancient traditions cannot be called as religion. Our ancestors were a scared lot to try anything that was against their living group and hence were less open and more superstitious. Overtime, superstitions took over logic and hence the differences among people were exploited by new comers to our land.

    These new comers had a mix of good and bad people as usual the case always. Along with them came their ideology which is not 100 % correct. While we should have sorted differences among ourselves for a better society, we had taken routes to please others to the extreme. This included religious conversion in the pretext of being looked down. When man could survive just by eating fruits and grains, he is still eating animal foods. Is he not looking down on animals from time immemorial ?? Worst, he even castrates them for farm use.

    Coming to science and Technology area, we are in an era where there is junk influx of developed goods to India. Most pharma goods are a failure due to side effects and as such people in the west are claiming ayurveda and yoga as best treatment alternatives. While Mitochondrial DNA tests have squashed aryan-dravidian theory, still we see parties with name DMK or AIADMK etc. These are selfish people for money as mentioned by someone earlier in the comments.

    Tamilians are best example for people who are scared to go against their group. Some of them want to marry in their relations only and thus don’t want to change. They are scared of intercaste or inter-language marriage. Do you think only tamilians are the best ?? Excellent works have been done by others too. Grow up man… Try marrying a non-tamilian and u will see that others are also good.

    Usually some group of people try to dominate other in the same way as one tribal clan tries to subdue other. Sometimes it is this community and sometimes other that dominate. Unfortunately, this is where we are struck in India now. While, westerners learned to patch up and share knowledge, we are lagging behind in this area and doing a blame game. Also remember that the day some people don’t receive funds/help from missionaries, they tell truth out. Like some pastors showed idols (made of different material) of Jesus cudn’t perish where as local god idols (made of mud) perished in Orissa thus proving that Jesus is great than our gods. Some gave clothes, some gave money to convert.

    If someone is humiliating you, will u say ur mother is not ur mother?? Please think and change.

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  14. Prasad

    First of all we are forgetting the meaning of arya and dravida. Arya means “Noble” or a respected person. Dravida means a kingdom (The present day tamilnadu) from Mahabhart time. How can you say that everyone in a place or cast or creed are Noble or all southindians are from Dravidian kingdom. See Mr Edwin no one from south agreed that we are dravidians except tamilians. Offcourse that is true as people of tamilnadu are tamilians as people of dravida kingdom are dravidians. The languages of south are Sanskrit, Telugu, Kannada, Dravida, Malayala what does that mean. Tamil came from dramil and from dravid. You know where the grammer of telugu and Kannada came from? It is Sanskrit(Nannayya, a Samskruthandra kavi written grammer for telugu and is obviously inherited by other languages like kannada)and the lipi is from Brahmi. We telugu and kannda, malayala people never claim we are dravidians as our kingdom is not dravida kingdom. Our fate is like this bcz our history and classifications our languages were done by Europians. They say sanskrit is indo-european language as the work mother in English came like this (Sanskrit (mathar–> matar-> Mother) but in telugu we use the same Sanskrit word for mother. Then how can Telugu/Kannada are not related to sanskrit but english and german. Thousands of words of Grandhika telugu/kannada are same(Not transformed ones) as Sanskrit words. How funny it is. If you see each and every state in India has their own language for communication purpose and Sanskirt for ritual purpose. In fact current Hindi/urdu are mix of persian and Sanskrit. With that no one can say that as hindi is related to Sanskrit, persian is also related to sanskrit. The Hindi that people of india were speaking at the time of Greeks and Muslim invasions was different from the current hindi which is a contaminated or mixed language. This way no one can claim sanskrit is not an Indian language at least not related to south indians. Also if you see the grammer of all (North and South) indian languages is same. The grammer of european languages is same but different from Indian languages. In that way also how can they say south indian languages are different from north indian languages. It is a mere seperation. But one good thing they are saying is, south indians are native indians which is fully true. But the fact that they are missing is, north indians are also indians. Actually this theory has to be denied the most by north indians but not south indians. Bcz if they accpet then what does that mean. They surrendered their part of India/language(Hindi) to Europeans and offsourse south indians should not convert their creed on this basis. This theory is a kind of psychology that played on indians to kill their culture and surrender themselves to Europeans. See how it happens. Now if North Indians agrees for Aryan-Dravidian theory what does that mean? they are agreeing that they are not native indians or their ancestors are not indians and agreeing for the supremacy of Europeans(Here one thing you have to remember if all europeans and iranians came to india then the current Indians are aryans how can the current europeans and iranians and turkish are aryans. This itslef disproves the theory). You north Indians you be cautious here. You may say that yes we are not from India. Then you answer these questions to yourselves. 1. If you say Sanskrit is yours and you are related to Europeans what does that mean? Sankrit and Hindi are Europeans and not Indians. Ok fine. Then Vedas are also not ours. So when all our religion and Vedas are related to Saraswati/Ganges, Himalayas, Manasa Sarovar, Kaasi and all. So you tell me did you bring all these with you from Europe/Iran/Turkey? Did you also bring the rivers Godavari/Krishna/Kaveri/Tungabhadra which we remember dailiy while bathing to India? And when Lord Krishna, Lord Rama, Draupadi , Sani and so many gods who are black in color are not your gods? All gods who are black in color are only south Indians or so called Dravidian gods?
    Now let us come to south Indians. If they agree to theory what does that mean? Any how you are native Indians but you are also agreeing that your fellow Indians (Northies) are not Indians. Obviously you will have hatred towards them. Second thing is you are also agreeing that saskrit is not yours and hindusim is not yours the temples are not yours and then tell me what is ours in india what are you to India? It is more than suicide and the loss to us is more than north Indians. You may ask is all this there in Aryan invasion theory? Yes it is. You will know only when you read and understand it in its entirety. With that obviously you will lose your culture and religion and hence you will be invaded automatically by Europeans. They say that as this religion is not yours you convert to cristianity. It is just like moulding you that “ This house is yours but everything in your house is not yours”. A guy who accepts that he is lower than someone then that is more than suicide to him. It is easy to invade anyone who lost his culture. If you really think we south Indians practice Hindu religion more than anyone in this world so we are the targets always as we are the real hindus. Guys wake up we Indians are Indians other country people are strictly other country people. All Indian languages are ours (Which language is ancient and who are great is secondary. That we can fight ourselves and decide. Let us not allow any other person to involve into it).

    • Vinit Tyagi

      @Prasad : Completely agree with you bro. Instead of believing that thousands of year ago we came from different places … its thousand times better to believe that we are now staying together for thousands of years and though there are differences … we are still together.

  15. nikhil

    The Non Resident Indians, especially, the second and third generation Indian Americans, need to be vigilant of the many things in life they still need to achieve. Many people know that American Indian as a group have the highest per capita income and highest per capita education of any ethnic group specially in the United States.
    How they as a community and as individuals can make a positive change in Indian society and in the global arena by being responsible players and not be limited by achieving “economic and academic success alone.”

    They should aware about role of American unholy empire in NATO’s global resource wars,engaging themselves evangelisation and conversions,mushrooming of Christian NGOs that work against Hindu interests,constructing prayer halls and churches near temples,
    acquiring huge lands and properties illegally and finally trying to break India into mutual hostile camps in the name of fake ideology like Dravidian Christianity with the help of illegal flow of foreign money.

  16. Rangam

    Dravidian phenomena is first started by non tamilians in Tamil Nadu before Independance Namely E.V Ramaswamy Naicker, M. Karunanidhi and by Justice Party whose leaders are mainly Telugus and Malayalis. This phenomena is mainly against Tamil Brahmins. After separation of states in the name of Language, these leaders, never spread it to their State. Hence till now effects Dravidian philosophy swing Tamil Nadu. People made to think that Telugu, Malayali, Kannada are same race. But their great affinity towards North India but not on Tamil Nadu now make the Tamil people to think Dravidian policy is cheating one. No leaders of Andhra, Karnataka and Kerala have condomned Killings of Tamils in Sri Lanka. This make the Tamil people anger against the Dravidian Policy. Comming years Dravidian concepts will be faded.

    • Anonymous

      I am from TamilNadu, This Arya and Dravida concept is wrong and only created for Politicians to get their benefits

  17. mederata

    Aryan origin would be of real importance to an Aryan descendant. Similarly it would be of least consequence to non aryans. It is only when deeper studies are done of subjects as civilizations, genetics and migrations, a breeze of a truth floats above like a mist. Aryan today is so light. For humanity it is also the greatest gifts that brought modern civilisation to where it is. Instead of debunking it would be nice to read on it.

  18. Satyameva Jayate

    Aryan Invasion theory is a nice bed time story for Nazis. This theory was brought into existence after Indians were seen as severely disunited by castes by the newly arrived European oppurtunitsts traders and scribes. Its a dream come true for the Nazis and similar kind but the truth is that India did get invaded by Barbarians. They weren’t known as Aryans. They were a mix of confused and irreligious human beings entering India, not to respect it but to harm it and take full advantage of it. When you enter someones home as a guest your respect its owners but a barbarian isn’t capable of doing so. Even in this modern age, a barbarian remains a barbarian even if he acts civilized. Accept India for its glorious Hindu history and stop spreading lies. Hindus are the people of India who still believe in the world’s most ancient religion. North Indians and South Indians are Hindus. No one can deny that.

  19. Anonymous

    The word Dravida is first mentioned in the Matysa Purana. The Southern region of India where the progenitors of mankind first escaped from a big flood that engulfed the whole globe. The big flood happened in prehistory. Civilizations were created after this flood. So how can Dravida be of less importance or seen as inferior when people of the past respected it? Aryavart was the region in Northern India ruled as several republics. The Aryavart and Dravida lands are names given to two parts of India. South Indians are as Hindu as North Indians. Everything depends on what you do in life good or bad. People with superiority and Nazi complex can dwell on genetics. They are in their own dream world. Let them dream. Reality is different.

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